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Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.01.27 08:10:00 - [1] Worth pointing out that the slicer doesn't have "far lower dps" than a dramiel - your fit + 3 warriors deals 179, compared to a slicer's 172 with medium pulse + heat sink + faction multifreq. Slicer may or may not win depending on the range the fight starts at and fits, and it is much slower (1700+m/s slower depending on fits), but damage isn't the issue. Also for a hypothetical daredevil v. dramiel match, I doubt the neut is the problem, cuase I doubt the fight will last that long either way. ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.01.27 10:50:00 - [2] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Dramiel is a nerf waiting to happen. It has superior speed, drones, slot layout, ample damage, tracking .. you name it Originally by: Terianna Eri Worth pointing out that the slicer doesn't have "far lower dps" than a dramiel - your fit + 3 warriors deals 179, compared to a slicer's 172 with medium pulse + heat sink + faction multifreq. Slicer may or may not win depending on the range the fight starts at and fits, and it is much slower (1700+m/s slower depending on fits), but damage isn't the issue. Also for a hypothetical daredevil v. dramiel match, I doubt the neut is the problem, cuase I doubt the fight will last that long either way. Slicer won't win period. MPII DPS versus a Dramiel is 30-40 max once the infernal tracking formula has taken its pound of flesh, been there done that. You need DLP to even have a chance of taking it to armour, but winning is only going to happen if the Dramiel messes up. Best counter for Dramiel's is anything with high tracking like a Thrasher .. in ships with less you need dual-webs so bringing buddies is often the best alternative. PS: Yes I hate the filthy things with a vengeance, at least people get to pay through the nose for them Depends a lot (a LOT) on the dramiel fit imo since there are viable fits other than mwd/ab/scram/MSE - ones with a TD, ones with a cap booster, ones with a 24km instead of a 9km, etc, and against those the slicer might have a chance (if my experiences on sisi before Dominion went live are an indication). But yeah there's no way unbonused medium pulse are tracking something going 2km/s at 2.5km away (and similarly, no way 150mms are hitting anything at all at 20km), sorry if I implied that- the only point I wanted to make was that while the dramiel is very good its not like its a wtf dps monster. ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.01.27 19:07:00 - [3] Originally by: adriaans http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=25651&view=losses yes sure, dramiels are invincible.... (that also happens to be one of the best pvp'ers in eve) oh, vagabond w/medium neut, is there any frig you can't kill? (rhetorical) ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.01.27 23:30:00 - [4] Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Originally by: Sig Sour Holy cow you are totally correct! A dramiel would smoke a thrasher, Id be scared of every dramiel in my thrasher. Every dramiel should not hesitate to attack a thrasher. Another sign you are total noob and have no idea what are you talking about. I'm pretty sure that that was sarcasm brah ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.01.30 20:08:00 - [5] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I've taken down two Dramiels on seperate occasions in different circumstances with my Cruor. The fit isn't too far off from Proxyyyy's, but it's a tad unique and it flows well for a frigate. [Cruor, Siigari-Style] Couldn't you replace everything except the web with T2 or named and you'd still have the most important feature of the Cruor - really strong webbing - intact, and save enough isk to buy like 10 more cruors? Doesn't seem like most of the faction/storyline gear on that is really doing any good ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.01.31 10:11:00 - [6] Originally by: scoutyman Could anyone clarify how a sentinel goes about killing a dramiel? I honestly dont know much about the sentinel but at first glance, even when capped out, the dramiel keeps it's dps (auto's + drones ) and tank (MSE). A fit would also be nice =p In theory, when capped out (and TD'd, don't forget about the very relevant TD bonus), a sentinel should be able to hold the dramiel at whatever range he wanted (since sentinel + MWD is faster than dramiel + no prop mod by a lot). At 20km ish even non-TD'd autocannons won't do much and as for the drones + MSE... well, the sentinel has more drones anyway. I would suspect that if the dramiel has a nos though (and even without one) it could just rush the sentinel, scram, and turn on guns, and melt the sentinel long before it could stabilize the situation with neuts + TDs. ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)

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